The Mirkning of the American Liberal

It looks like the G&R crowd are starting to get rattled and letting their true colors shine through. C. Thompson, whose friends hold some very offensive views of ATRs which he’s apparently okay with as long as it “gets er dun” (“er” being shutting down those people who hold political views contrary to his own) has now set his sights on two of the most vocal critics of the Marxification of paganism. Mind you, this is nothing new. Look at how he hounded people over at J. Agathokles’ blog.

Unable to come up with any valid criticisms, this Cateran of Social Justice began sputtering out “But but … they’re RACISTS!!!

Because of course he did. That’s always what they do.

Anyone who’s spent five seconds reading through those blogs will see that they’re not card-carrying racists. Not even if you squint really hard. Maybe if you clap a lot and believe with all your might. But not in any kind of objective way.

Sure, they express ideas I don’t always agree with, or take things I do agree with to places I’m not particularly comfortable – but that makes them wrong, not racist. And if I think they’re wrong I’ll tell them that – just as I’m sure they’ll tell me when they think I’m wrong – I won’t try to drive them out of the community with pitchforks and torches.

It’s like Wayland Skallagrimsson says:

As you seem to think it appropriate to make judgments and condemnations of us without having bothered to do even minimal research, let me provide the history lesson you skipped. The modern heathen/Asatru movement was pretty disorganized in the eighties, the decade it really got going in. Anyone who said they were heathen was accepted as such. Then there was a series of schisms around the end of the decade, into the nineties. One of the most major of these, the one you could not have possibly missed if you had done even a cursory amount of research into us, was the schism between Folkish and Universalist heathens. And also Tribalist heathens, but they were more of a minority at first. The other two groups were dominant. In other words, the movement that birthed the Folkish heathens also birthed the other major camp, the left wing, multicultural heathens. You know, the ones whose existence you doubt. […] So your snide little comments about “the clear association between Heathenry and an openly racialist subculture,” and “But what is it about Asatru that creates a trajectory towards the folkish interpretation,” are, at best, disingenuous, and at worst actual lies. Our religion, our gods, are not props in your political struggles, Burley. You use us. You insult us. You misrepresent us. Fuck you. I have been in the heathen scene for a long time. I have written a lot, and run groups. I have spent a lot of that time and effort in fighting fascism. Like any true heathen, I have stood up against the right wing and fascist elements in my religion. But that does not make me left wing. I also stand against you and your left wing brand of fascism, Burley. You and your Gods & Radicals buddies are every bit as bad as the right wing variety. And I will take just as strong a stand against you. We don’t need Folkies stealing our traditions and pushing their own agenda with it. And we do not need a load of crypto fascist anarchist neo-maxi Zoom dweebies doing it either.

We don’t need these White Knights gatekeeping our communities – especially when they’re coming in from other communities to do so. (Pssst! Hey neopagans, before you start lecturing Heathens on ethics, maybe do something about that whole pedophilia and rape problem you’ve got, yeah?)

Better yet, why don’t we actually listen to the voices of PoC instead of their “PC interpreters.” News flash: I know it’s a radical concept but PoC are actually capable of thinking and communicating for themselves and don’t need you to fight all their fights for them. Something, unfortunately, RMD felt was necessary to remind folks here:

as an AA woman I kinda wish sjw’s (especially non poc one’s) would let me gather my thoughts and speak for myself before jumping up to yell racism on behalf of me or any other ethnic person or group. We’re capable of figuring out what’s offensive and harmful to us, and frankly such reactions reek of trying to avoid being tagged with the racist label oneself and infantilizing the group’s one claims to be speaking for. These types of so called allies also tend to have as stereotypical view of AAs/POC as any other prejudiced person: That our experiences are only about struggle and pain and only that narrative of Blackness is acceptable.

Well said.

And if you don’t think that C. Thompson and his friends’ slurs against Santeria and Vodoun shouldn’t matter, maybe consider reading these articles by Lilith Dorsey and Crystal Blanton.

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Posted on April 23, 2016, in community, Polytheism, Uncategorized and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 11 Comments.

  1. It’s not my intention to bring levity to this serious discussion, but you know you need a vocabulary upgrade when you think “mirkning” refers to pubic wigs and not to twilight or dusk.
    Polytheist blogs…sending me to the dictionary every day!
    Oh, and if this comment is deemed offensive, by all means delete it!

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  2. Virginia carper

    In C. Thompson’s article about the Trump rally, he said that he considered Mr. Trump to be evil. Pardon me, isn’t that a monotheistic idea. The split of the world into a vast battlefield of good and evil. With good trying to overcome evil.

    I believe that the polytheist view of the world was order and chaos. We were not soldiers of The Christian God smiting evil. We decide whether Mr. Trump is a threat to our communities or the Pax Deorum. If not, then we leave him alone.

    This good versus evil of G+R smacks of the monotheistic dogma. I would like to know how that came to be in a stated polytheist group.

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  3. Um, I’ve never said anything against Vodou or Santeria, two religions I have the highest possible respect for.

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    • ganglerisgrove

      Read again, that’s not what I said:

      C. Thompson, whose friends hold some very offensive views of ATRs which he’s apparently okay with as long as it “gets er dun”

      If you need it rephrased in smaller words, try this: Your friends were the ones who slurred those religions; you trivialized and brushed that off for the sake of expediency.

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  4. I mean, really – does it even bother you to lie anymore, or are you so caught up in your crusade that honesty no longer matters at all? You’ve been spending weeks now on this bizarre quest to demean and destroy Gods and Radicals, and that seems to be so important to you that you’ve even been willing to ally with people who publicly admit to holding racist ideologies. Anything for the cause, I suppose – but if right and wrong no longer mean anything,why should anyone listen to anything you say? Like it says in the song, “you can’t shake the devil’s hand and say you’re only kidding.”

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    • ganglerisgrove

      oh i’m sorry *sarcasm*, I didn’t realize that disagreement was “demeaning and destroying.” if you’re that thin skinned, maybe you shouldn’t be posting such controversial material.

      I”ve seen how you engage in other comments threads and attempt to gaslight. you’re not welcome here. Take your pollution and be gone.

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  5. I am confused – who is lying about what? I have read words at both places and trying to understand what lies and who. What I see is a discussion of spirited people going back and forth. I see strong reactions on both sides, including myself.

    I do want to take note of Mr. Thompson’s language “crusade,” “right and wrong” – it seems that it is more monotheistic thinking at play. My reaction to these words and “devil” is that it is a world view of Manichaeism. From Wikipedia: “Manichaeism taught an elaborate dualistic cosmology describing the struggle between a good, spiritual world of light, and an evil, material world of darkness. Through an ongoing process which takes place in human history, light is gradually removed from the world of matter and returned to the world of light whence it came. Its beliefs were based on local Mesopotamian gnostic and religious movements.” A dualistic world in which we have to fight the good fight against evil.

    I find that difficult to reconcile with the Roman virtues and principles of the Religio Romana. It seems more monotheistic in the focus of destroying evil wherever you find it. The Religio is more concerned about people’s relations with their Gods, communities, and each other. We do have the Aventine Triad to protect the rights of the poor and disenfranchised, and how they direct social order and tranquility.

    In this discussion, I see one group trying to change the language of polytheism to monotheism. I am still confused about the lies – I would like an example of a lie or dishonesty.

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  6. I have read the articles in question, and as a Hellenic Reconstructionist/Revivalist, I heartily agree with Galina. I also think that those of us who ARE in the Reconstructionist movement need to speak up about what we ARE so that people know the difference between the truth and the spin about us.

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  7. thetinfoilhatsociety

    In the 90’s there was a rule coined that whenever someone made a comment about another being a Nazi the conversation was effectively done at that point and no further discussion would ensue that did not involve name calling and mud slinging. I believe that now, the buzzword is primarily racist and secondarily fascist. And that the people slinging those words around don’t understand either one very well. They are, to paraphrase JMG, words that make people uncomfortable, so therefore they are bad. This is how I believe the G&R folks (haha that was on purpose) are using these words, because they don’t like how those words make them feel therefore if they use them on others it’s like giving them that negative status. Does that make sense?

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