Conversations with Kenaz – Part 8

The morning has been fruitful. Part 8 of these ongoing conversations is now live on Kenaz’s blog. 

You can read it here

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Posted on August 15, 2016, in community, Polytheism, Uncategorized and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 5 Comments.

  1. More interesting stuff…thanks for doing these!

    I have one small point of disagreement (and I can’t comment on Kenaz’s blog for some reason…this computer often doesn’t like Blogspot blogs, though, alas), which is very minor, but one that comes into play where MGW was concerned. As I see it, warding is to keep negative things, and particularly negative beings, away from a particular place; cleansing is to get rid of miasma and other forms of spiritual pollution. Yes, negative things and beings can bring their own pollution and miasma, but there can also be incipient pollution from other things involved that might bring miasma which the best of wards and warders can do nothing about. (A good warder might be able to protect a space; but, what if they have a bunch of miasma clinging to them as a result of something else entirely? They might be able to keep some further negative things at bay, but might they be bringing that pollution into the space and upon all of the people for whom they were warding, too, even inadvertently?) The thing with many of the MGW commentators saying “We had good warders and everyone had a great time” makes me think of the following:

    “Hey, the toilet in my room is backed up and flooding the floor.”

    “It’s okay–we’ve got great security guards!”

    The presence of miasma has nothing to do with how everyone feels at an event–after all, it can be fun to wrestle in the mud, but it would be good if one washed one’s hands (at least!) after that before coming in to dinner, especially if one is sharing that dinner with others, or is responsible for preparing it or serving it. As you (and others) have noted, miasma can cloud one’s judgement, one’s abilities to critically evaluate situations, and can even create false sensations on occasion…and, let’s be honest, there has been precious little critical evaluation of things around MGW, and an awful lot of feeling upset, resentful, and vindicated that everyone had a good time despite the “prophets of miasma” and so forth. Not very much reading of what I actually wrote has taken place, and then respectfully disagreeing with it, only “Well, laughter is a great way to banish!” Perhaps, but again, a restraining order and security guards won’t vacuum the carpets.

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    • I think desire of a stated outcome is why the focus on MGW and miasma. I do know when I do my daily divination – I use various oracles, cards,etc, I certainly don’t want to have a downer of a day. I don’t want to see turkey vultures moving from the west to the northeast (bad omen for Romans) when I want a certain outcome. So I do what every other human being does, redo the divination, interpret it differently, etc, so I can have the happy outcome.

      Gods have other plans. And They will ask, why are you even asking Us, if you are simply going to ignore what We say. Sooner or later, We will stop answering any of your questions and ignore you.

      I think for whatever reasons, people who wrote the blogs, attended MGW, or set it up wanted it to the smash success of conferences. Sort of the Pantheon of Pagandom, where all the illuminaries come and hob-knob. It was to be a centrepiece in some folks’ path to stardom or to being the go to person. They had an agenda, banished people who upset the agenda, and chastised everyone else who spoke out against the agenda. When the bloggers start to shame people for having an offensive opinion about the conference or for not showing up or simply emotionally blackmailing them for expressing themselves, they have admitted defeat. Miasma seems to have set in since this was stated to be a conference about the Gods, and instead became a conference about the humans. Gods, I guess, didn’t want any part of it. That is a bitter pill to swallow if you are looking for approval from all corners.

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    • I really love your metaphor of the overflowing toilet and security guards. This is very much how I see miasma vs say an energetic attack or trespassing. I think you said that succinctly despite me having no idea what MGW is.

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  2. ganglerisgrove

    At this point we weren’t even thinking of MGW when we were writing this — we’ve gone way past their bullshit– but you do bring up good points. I think this really needs to be emphasized:

    Miasma can cloud judgment. It can exacerbate negative situations. It has, however, nothing to do with how pleasant or ill one feels (though some who are sensitive to such things might feel quite uncomfortable or ill in deeply miasmic situations, not everyone will). It’s not about emotions. It’s about situational realities and conditions, that throw spiritual integrity out of true. ..amongst other things. I’ve written earlier about what miasma is… not going to recap. But, i think it’s important to realize, as you point out: we talk about miasma impacting discernment and signal clarity but what does that mean? You phrase it beautifully: it clouds judgment. we don’t read things well. we miss things. we’re less able to critically evaluate situations.

    One of the reasons to be so precise in handling miasma as it occurs and in doing whatever is necessary for prevention is specifically for that purpose: where one’s relationship to the Powers is concerned, why on earth would anyone want to gunk it up, if they had it within their own power (and we all do) to keep it clean and well maintained? Is this something that one values or is it not?

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