Desecration in London
Vandals in London have desecrated a memorial to WWII RAF fighters. This is in wake of a black studies professor calling these heroes war criminals (you know, the men who fought actual nazis. I guess they’ll give PhDs to anyone these days). This is the result of people who have zero respect for the dead, and who see western identity as a problem to be solved. I hope they catch the criminals. I would like to see them drawn and quartered, though of course in these ‘civilized’ times such punishments are no longer given. Pity. One who desecrates the military dead deserves nothing else.
(photo “Lest We Forget” by G. Krasskova)
Posted on January 24, 2019, in Ancestor Work, Ancestors, Community Notes, Uncategorized and tagged Ancestors, Asshattery, desecration, military, Military dead, military history, RAF Memorial. Bookmark the permalink. 14 Comments.
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That is truly awful and shameful.
According to the article, the vandals also desecrated the statue of Winston Churchill and Roosevelt and the Canada Memorial which “commemorates members of the Canadian Forces killed during the First and Second World Wars.” I am Canadian and know of the many sacrifices the Canadian troops made during the World Wars. Without Canada and the other Commonwealth countries (i.e. New Zealand, Australia, India, etc.), England would have fell to the Nazis.
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YES memorials in Canada were desecrated as well. it’s disgusting, absolutely disgusting. Canadian troops laid down their lives to fight actual nazis and this is the thanks they get by the ignorant few. 😦 it makes me so angry I can barely type.
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and without Churchill, we likely wouldn’t have won the war. He was the leader that was needed during wartime. He was problematic outside of that, yes, but in WWII he was exactly what we needed.
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Just as a mater of clarification: the professor commented as he did after the desecration of the memorial. Be careful with anything in The Daily Mail (though they did get that detail right).
No, I don’t agree with his statement, and likewise I think the desecration is exactly that; however, let’s not link one thing with the other in a causal fashion. when it cannot be the case that it happened in that order.
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PSVL, i saw the interview with that ass. I didn’t first read about it. When I mentioned it, however, i wanted to have a link so then I looked up the article. No, his words weren’t *directly* linked to the desecration but really, if this is what students are learning in university, are we really surprised it happened?
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I know what you mean…it’s just important to know (for those who haven’t read all the info and seen the interviews, etc.) that the statements on the one occasion didn’t directly cause the actions on the other, and it can’t be proven with any certainty that the professor said anything in his classes regarding these things before the incident took place, or that anyone else did either.
I’m honestly surprised if that kind of talk would be allowed in a university in the U.K.; I don’t know all of their laws in relation to such things, but I know that WWI and II veterans in particular are highly respected there. While some people might try something like that (i.e. making such comments) in the U.S. in some places where there are colleges and universities, where I live that would be very ill-advised, as this is a Naval community, there are Naval and Marine veterans all over here, and they’re represented in our student body very much (and at my other college, it’s almost exclusively active duty personnel and veterans), and one would be shooting oneself in the foot to make such a remark and for it to get around that one had. It would probably be grounds for firing, in fact–definitely at my other college ,and very likely at this one (which I’m writing from) as well.
From a historical perspective, the firebombing of Dresden was a bad idea; but was it a “terrorist action”? Neither by definition nor by any stretch of the imagination, in my view, given what was going on atrocities-wise with the Nazis. Raising these questions, though, can be useful in certain ways (even if the counterpoint is phrased in an exaggerated and over-reaching fashion, as it was here). It’s important to discuss instances of over-reach of military power, and of the use of military force when it isn’t utterly necessary, and that can be done without insulting the service and sacrifice of the soldiers involved; civilian casualties are never anything to brag about or feel proud over, since by the proper warrior ethos (and supposedly by the proper military ethos as well, but that is getting thrown out the window more and more as time goes on since business and politics drives military usage even more than strategy and justice these days) such casualties are not within the scope of “fair play” (in a slightly paraphrased Irish sense of fír fer, literally “truth/justice of men” but usually used in a context that means “truth/justice of warriors”) nor are they a deed over which one should feel pride or honor since those who were killed could not realistically hope to defend themselves. Putting honorable soldiers in a position where they are required to kill civilians and to have some responsibility for doing so is not a good use of force or of military personnel and those devoted to the warrior ethos.
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“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.”
― Winston Churchill
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Sigh. I was hoping to be in a good mood today. Nope! I guess I’ll just have to fantasize about what would’ve happened if some veterans or active duty guys caught them in the act.
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these days, PSVL, those questions are only ever raised to show disrespect to the dead and to shit on western cultures and values. I don’t think there’s ever any reason to dishonor memorials to the military dead, or very few reasons and none for leftists who brag about wanting to punch nazis. wish we could dump all of them back in WWII and give them the chance. *snorts*
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So in the age when anyone and everyone can be called a “neonazi”, the people who fought REAL Nazis are considered war criminals? For a while I didn’t think it was possible for our culture to get any stupider.
Oh how wrong I was.
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Speaking as a Brit, the desecration is appaling (hardly needs to be said, but there you go), but I broadly agree with Dr. Andrews. I’m not sure this is the most politic way of broaching the subject, but Piers Morgan and the Dail Mail are nothing if not tarts when it comes to courting controversy and well-versed in rabble-rousing and “Just Asking Questions”.
The crux of Andrews’ argument seems to be that the way WW2 is treated by our nation, and our abject failure to teach students what it means to have created and to maintain an empire, is the root of a lot of our social problems, from racial inequality to Brexit. The lionisation of Chruchill in popular culture ignores the atrocities he ordered, and thinks that since we (that is to say: white British folks, plus some other people) won the war, whatever atrocities our country committed or facilitated – from the Dresden bombing to the Bengal famine – don’t matter, because we beat Hitler, rah-rah, God save the Queen, rule Britannia, etc, etc. /s
The US-style hero-worship of the armed forces is alien British culture, but I don’t agree with the vandalism OR the attacks on Dr. Andrews here or in our media.
We (the British) need a proper conversation about what it means to be an ex-colonial power, but that’s not likely to happen any time soon.
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we are here, all of us, because at some point in our history our ancestors were warriors. To refuse to honor them, or to desecrate their memorials is obscene and impious. I fully agree: have those difficult conversations, but that shouldn’t preclude honoring those who defeated actual Nazis in WWII. The pseudo “progressive” agenda that would cast all of western culture as some great evil, is imo, utter bullshit aimed at the dissolution of civilization, art, culture, and beauty. Having standards, developing character, cultivating stoicism and valor, courage, respect, and piety are no longer viewed as good things. We are not the better for that. Trying to get people to have those conversations you mention, well there are ways to go about that which can be very fruitful. desecrating monuments is not the way to move minds and hearts. it furthers nothing. There’s plenty of stunts the vandals could have done to bring attention to these conversations, but instead they went for desecration. Britain should be proud of its work in WWII. Those men should be remembered and honored, and those working on the homefront. that need not mean assuming they are perfect or that people didn’t do horrendous things. War makes monsters of everyone.
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I think we’re talking across each other.
I am not in any way attempting to defend the vandals (although I do think hanging drawing and quartering might be a touch extreme) and nor, I think, is Dr. Andrews (whose academic competence is irrelevant to these events). The points Dr. Andrews makes aren’t particularly relevant to the matters at hand, and I think he’s been brought in to whip up anger at the Left because that’s what Piers Morgan and the Daily Mail *do*.
The vandalism may well have been the work of politically-motivated leftists, or it might have been a couple of prats who’d had too much to drink. Or neo-Nazis opposed to the RAF. Or a right-wing false flag operation. Or someone with an axe to grind against the government – there’s more than enough resentment to go around.
Until the culprits are caught, I’m going to hold my judgement on their motivation. The statue is clean, no one got hurt, the police are looking for the people responsible. I will raise my standards, show the quality of my character, and stoically refuse to allow the manufactured outrage to rile me up; things are volatile enough around here already without adding fuel to the fire.
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That “false flag” suggestion was suposed to be a ridiculous idea, but I realise that – with this being an emotionally-charged issue and Poe’s law being what it is – it’s likely to muddy the waters, but I can’t see how to edit the post on mobile.
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