FB discrimination against Heathens?

EDIT: someone just told me that the circle with the cross is a white nationalist symbol. really?? I thought it was an elemental cross. 

 

So about half a dozen of us on fb have had posts related to Odin or posts featuring the rune Othala removed. The posts are inoffensive (to most of us) and yet over and over again today they’ve been removed, fb citing violation of “community standards.” What community? Certainly not mine. 

here’s the first image. 

odin with us

here’s the second. 

home

What is objectionable to valuing home and family, faith, and one’s faith community? Apparently, to fb, everything. Consider where this is going to go. If they’re doing this today, what are they going to do tomorrow (and for the record, those posting were liberal NON-folkish Heathens). 

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About ganglerisgrove

Free-range tribalist Heathen, Galina Krasskova, has been a priest of Odin and Loki since the early nineties. Originally ordained in the Fellowship of Isis in 1995, Ms. Krasskova also attended the oldest interfaith seminary in the U.S.- the New Seminary where she was ordained in 2000 and where she later worked as Dean of Second Year Students for the Academic year of 2011-2012. She has even given the opening prayer at the United Nations Conference “Women and Indigeny”. Beyond this, she took vows as a Heathen gythia in 1996 and again in 2004, She is the head of Comitatus pilae cruentae and a member of the Starry Bull tradition. She has been a member of numerous groups through the years including the American Academy of Religion. She has also served previously as a state government contracted expert on the Asatru faith, and been a regular contributor to various print and online publications geared towards modern pagans and polytheists, and for a time had her own radio program: Wyrd Ways Radio Live. Ms. Krasskova holds diplomas from The New Seminary (2000), a B.A. in Cultural Studies with a concentration in Religious Studies from Empire State College (2007), and an M.A. in Religious Studies from New York University (2009). She has completed extensive graduate coursework in Classics (2010-2016) and is pursuing a Masters in Medieval Studies at Fordham University (expected graduation 2019) with the intention of eventually doing a PhD in theology. She has also been teaching University classes in Greek and Latin. As part of her academic career Ms. Krasskova has written a number of academic articles, and also presented at various academic conferences including Harvard University, Claremont University, Fordham University, Ohio State University, Western Michigan University, Villanova University, and the City University of New York. An experienced diviner and ordeal master, her primary interest is in devotional work and the reconstruction of Northern Tradition shamanism. Her very first book, The Whisperings of Woden was the landmark first devotional text to be written in modern Heathenry. Ms. Krasskova has a variety of published books available running the gamut from introductory texts on the Northern Tradition, as well as books on shamanism, runes, prayer, and devotional practices. She is also the managing editor of “Walking the Worlds,” a peer-reviewed academic style journal focusing on contemporary polytheism and spirit work and the first journal of polytheology. While very busy with teaching and school, she does also occasionally lecture around the country on topics of interest to contemporary Heathenry and polytheisms. A passionate supporter of the arts Ms. Krasskova enjoys going to the opera, theater, and ballet. Her affection for the arts began early as she discovered dance, which she pursued professionally becoming a ballet dancer: first with a regional company in Maryland, then in New York City. After suffering career ending injuries, she would find new forms of expression in the visual arts. For a few years Ms. Krasskova co-owned an art gallery in the Hudson River Valley of New York, and over a course of numerous years she has studied a multitude of art mediums: glassblowing, watercolor, acrylic, photography and more! She is now an avid collage artist, acrylic painter and watercolorist and has even enjoyed placement in international artist-in-residencies programs in New York, New Mexico, and Poland. Her work has been exhibited globally from New York to Paris. She has taken her passion for the arts and polytheistic devotion, to create the Prayer Card Project. Since so much religious iconography has been destroyed, or defaced in the course of human history, she is actively making new religious prayers and iconography available to the various modern polytheistic communities to support those who are building their religious communities, building their devotional practices, and hungering for art that represents their religious faith. All while also supporting the artists within these burgeoning communities.

Posted on March 3, 2019, in community, Heathenry, Uncategorized and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 21 Comments.

  1. The more they remove them, the more posts about Odin, the Runes, and Othala I would make.

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  2. I see more and more of these things happening because of neo Nazi types who steal our symbols for their own use.

    We absolutely need to fight back as even Mjolnir now is becoming more and more associated with those people and I absolutely will not stop wearing my sacred symbol because of it.

    I wonder if there’s a better way to contact FB admin and point out that they need to look closely as they’re dismissing a religious symbol as a sign of a hate group? Do they even listen or care? Are there admins?

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  3. I’m sorry if I was unclear, by ‘our’ I was referring to heathens and those of the Norse pagan religion.

    I’ve seen many hate groups that use these symbols. I’m not trying to speak for the gods here, but as a practitioner of a religion whose symbols that others use for racist purposes.

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    • thetinfoilhatsociety

      Define hate group. Since the Supreme Court has definitively stated that there is no such thing as hate speech, then by definition in the US there cannot be a hate group, legally speaking. Just because they happen to believe differently than you does NOT in fact mean they are a hate group.

      I don’t see ANY so-called Nazi or WS or WN groups targeting “minorities” for harassment. Not a single one. Every single “hate crime” I know of for the past two years has involved a person belonging to the so called “victim” group committing a HOAX hate crime to get sympathy and attention for themselves. Jussie Smollett is merely the latest one to do so.

      You see, even if you don’t believe the same as they (the “hate groups”) they worship the same Gods as you. They share the same European ancestry as the people who originally worshipped those Gods. Therefore they are entitled to the same symbols, regardless of your personal feelings. I know actual WS who are less aggressive toward other groups, than Heathens who think they have a moral high ground, are toward WS. And that’s a fact. I don’t agree with them in their philosophy but I notice these things.

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      • When I say hate group I mean people like those in Charlottesville holding those flags with runes/Mjolnir etc for whom it has no religious significance for them whatsoever.

        With regards to people like folkish heathens, while I don’t personally agree with their outlook, I don’t believe them to be hate groups at all. Some of them have come to light because they’ve chosen to make public some very controversial views. But generally speaking most folkish heathen types keep to themselves and don’t seek to cause any trouble. While I don’t personally agree with them, I’ll just leave them alone and I’m sure they’ll leave me alone in return.

        My issue as I’ve mentioned is purely with those people who use symbols without any religious significance and purely as a symbol of racism /white supremacist views etc.

        It’s because of those people that now people are jumping on othala etc as a hate symbol. And the people jumping to report othala are not often inclined to stop and listen to reason.

        So in summary – I hate that heathen symbols are now associated by some with racism or racists. And I wish that Facebook could be reached to understand that they’re trying to censor symbols of a religion.

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      • thetinfoilhatsociety

        I know what you’re talking about regarding Charlottesville but there is a good deal of evidence those were paid agitators. Those flags were literally pulled out of the packages while they were at the demonstration. Many people commented on that before those guys made the news on MSM. And even if they weren’t they still had the right to use them.

        I’m not a Christian but I don’t hear many Christians speaking this way about heavy metal groups who use the cross in their imagery. I have no doubt they’re using it to convey ideas that have nothing much to do with religious devotion nor Christian imagery. Just because you don’t happen to agree with those people STILL doesn’t give you the right to say they do or don’t have the right to use those symbols. That’s like saying someone doesn’t have the right to use the alphabet. The symbols are there, they’ve been around for tens of thousands of years in some cases, and they’re part of their heritage as well as yours and mine. They have the same right to use them you do, regardless of whether you think they’re using them for “appropriate” purposes or not. I’m sorry, but you are still taking on being the speaker for the Gods regarding whether or not someone can use/misuse those symbols. Just because you don’t like what you see when you look at them doesn’t give you the right to call their use illegitimate or a misuse because you don’t see it as religious in nature.

        Just because stupid people are afraid of a symbol doesn’t make it wrong to use it. Just because other probably stupid people are using it for what you view as nefarious purposes doesn’t make it wrong to use it either.

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      • I think you might be misunderstanding me – my issue is twofold. I agree that FB should not be censoring othala etc and I am very against this move. Or that they are removing heathen symbols at all. Because if they remove regardless of context, then people WILL start to see symbols like othala as something to be feared.

        My second issue is with ANYone who uses heathen/religious symbols to convey a message of racism/oppression etc. if they wish to act in the reprehensible way they do, while I can’t stop them, they should never bring religious symbols into their words or actions.

        I think I’ve said all I can think of at this point. My problem is purely with FB censorship and actual racists at this point. And I don’t call anyone I disagree with a racist, I mean actual racists.

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      • Also, while you rightly pointed out that I can’t stop people using or misusing a symbol, that doesn’t mean I need to shut up and say nothing when I see it happen. People who see what I might say can listen or not.
        Ok, now I’ve said all I need to.

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  4. Sorry to double post – just to be clear the reason FB removes these posts of othala etc is because of the hate groups who use the symbols as purely a white supremacist symbol. For those people it’s not religious at all. I doubt that the people in Charlottesville who were waving flags with heathen symbols were actually heathen (that infamous alt right rally – there are pictures).

    FB deletes othala etc posts because of hate groups like that.

    My annoyance is that the symbols of my faith are now associated with racists.

    And this is why I don’t internet.. it’s all too easy to be misunderstood. 😦

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    • ganglerisgrove

      Ly, i threw up, literally, when I saw them at charlottesville using one of the runes for their flags. it made me sick.

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      • They had flags with Mjolnir too.. it’s extremely sickening, and if FB and other platforms allow runes and other heathen symbols to be seen in such a light by censoring them – I think it’ll only result in more people associating them with racism.

        I don’t even know how to contact FB to make any complaints or where it even goes if you do. :/

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  5. Apparently you’re a white supremacist & an Islamaphobe according to several people on my page. This is just further “proof” of it. ***SIGH***

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    • ganglerisgrove

      well, i’m against unregulated muslim immigration into europe and i’m no fan of monotheism but I”m not a white supremacist. I think they’re vile. but you know, Gods forbid people should actually read what i write and use a bit of critical, nuanced thinking. *sigh*

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      • This madness has got to stop. All these people who I have never even seen posting before decided to jump in and be mouth foaming douche bags. Barely a sensible post under it. My whole original intention of sharing your article was to point out the real problem of Facebook knee jerk banning people for using Heathen symbols & it just turn into a “Bash Krasskova” fest.
        I have already banned more people & deleted more comments than I have had to do in years because people are just ignoring my civility rules altogether.

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      • ganglerisgrove

        i appreciated your kind words in my defense. I sometimes think people purposely miss the point in discussions like these.

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  6. Hi Galina!
    I’m probably the very last person you expected to hear from. 🙂

    You are correct there is a massive problem here that I’ve been trying to fight as well (for instance, see this post: https://abeautifulresistance.org/site/2018/09/01/anti-fascism-and-the-lefts-euro-secular-arrogance )

    An excerpt in case you’d rather not go to the site:

    “Knee-jerk assumptions, simplistic reductions of symbols and beliefs, and a willingness to discard spiritual and cultural symbols in our fight to stop a nebulous Fascist threat will not only lead us nowhere good, but will aid the recruitment efforts of the people we are claiming to oppose. It not only shows us as ignorant but willfully arrogant: our “enlightened” European-derived secular-atheism is the only true way, and any who find meaning in spiritual symbols are at best foolish or, more often “fascist.””

    As I say in the essay, the problem is that people are looking for “cheat-sheets” to fight fascism. Quite a few white nationalist groups *are* using Othala and other runes in their propaganda, and while for years there was a significant push-back against their co-optation, I’ve seen too many Heathens give up that push and abandon their symbols to the far-right.

    Even Tiwaz (which I now wear on my body) is becoming increasingly “off-limits.” (https://paganarch.com/2018/02/08/saving-what-we-love/ )

    Anyway, I’m not very optimistic about this situation. People are actively reporting any Heathen symbols out of a sense of Tumblr-trained righteousness without any sense of the long-term damage they’re doing; FB obliges them because it doesn’t care about political consequences, only keeping everyone glued to their phones. The end result will be fascists being the only ones “allowed” to use the runes, meaning that their great power will be in the hands of exactly the people we don’t want to have them.

    I have no suggestions on how to stop this, though. I think it requires more on the “left” to push-back because they have more credibility; unfortunately, fewer and fewer of us have been doing so. Gods&Radicals and I will keep it up, but frankly we’re not enough to stop this problem.

    –Rhyd

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  7. We need to become even louder than the racists stealing our sacred symbols. If some bigot uses Mjollnir or the Runes to represent racism, we need to very quickly, loudly, and clearly state that these people are not Heathens, are stealing symbols sacred to a religion they don’t believe in, and then explain what they REALLY mean. We need to make it very obvious that the overwhelming majority of Heathens and other Northern Tradition folks loathe these bigoted scumbags in the same way most Christians loathe the Westboro Baptist Church. That’s what I’ve done when confronted by someone who erroneously sees my Mjollnir amulet and believes I’m a Neo-Nazi. So far it’s worked well enough.

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  8. I have checked the content policies on Facebook despite not being a user of the platform. Based on the community moderation guidelines on the Facebook web site, symbols that are used by a white supremacist group are banned by default: “We do not allow symbols that represent any of the above organizations or individuals to be shared on our platform without context that condemns or neutrally discusses the content.”

    Many polytheistic symbols, especially Norse ones, would seem to be banned with a zero-tolerance policy unless there is written content in the post or image that condemns hate groups. So, from a literal reading of the policy, they could not be used in a religious context at all if the symbol is not widely known beyond its use by a hate group. Facebook uses human reviewers instead of AI, and since a human is making the decision, it is less likely that one can appeal and receive a favorable outcome.

    This gets to something else. To me, it does not matter how pious a white supremacist appears to be. Le’s still a white supremacist. White supremacy is morally reprehensible. In addition, their use of symbols from pre-Christian, polytheistic Europe undermines reestablishing cultus. You and I have a difference of opinion about this because you have a different set of values; acts of piety are important to me, but piety does not stop when the last drops of a libation have fallen. If things like runes, philosophical schools like Stoicism, and even reviving traditional polytheistic religions become labeled hate speech or identified with hate movements, fewer people will learn about them or even be open to worshipping the gods, the social stigma involved with being in a polytheistic religion in the USA will be amplified, and it thus does not do right by the gods to avoid the topic.

    (Note: I think that the last time we discussed this, prison ministry came up, and it is completely possible to be compassionate towards someone without supporting ler beliefs. Likewise, I am really happy that Life After Hate and other nonprofits are starting to set up shop in the USA.)

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