Another post on prayer

Here is another blog post talking about the necessity of prayer. I highly recommend checking it out. 

Also, thinking about the lore, which we’ve been discussing on and off in the course of this discussion: we should use it when it increases our piety and dismiss it when it doesn’t. It’s a source, but not the only source. We also have art, archaeology, living traditions, etc. and the basic elements that constitute every religion on this planet. If there are deficiencies in the lore, we have to be willing to go beyond that. 

About ganglerisgrove

Galina Krasskova has been a Heathen priest since 1995. She holds a Masters in Religious Studies (2009), a Masters in Medieval Studies (2019), has done extensive graduate work in Classics including teaching Latin, Roman History, and Greek and Roman Literature for the better part of a decade, and is currently pursuing a PhD in Theology. She is the managing editor of Walking the Worlds journal and has written over thirty books on Heathenry and Polytheism including "A Modern Guide to Heathenry" and "He is Frenzy: Collected Writings about Odin." In addition to her religious work, she is an accomplished artist who has shown all over the world and she currently runs a prayer card project available at wyrdcuriosities.etsy.com.

Posted on December 19, 2019, in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. 11 Comments.

  1. thetinfoilhatsociety

    I can think of MANY examples right off the top of my head of people worshipping the Gods in the lore and sagas. I can’t imagine why anyone would be stupid or stubborn enough to pretend those don’t exist, or that they’re somehow unusual.

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    • Not to mention clear archaeological finds that support cultic sacrifice and offerings.

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      • Maybe some of these people think our ancestors just chucked the offerings in the bog or lake like we might toss a football. *Sarcasm*

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      • People are visual. You and I have had the privilege to travel, to go to the museums abroad where there are bog bodies and retrieved bog offerings on display.

        Seeing is believing, and let’s face it, they’re NOT seeing it much in the modern community because of all this malarkey. The resources are there to look for it, but to many don’t want to look for it, they just follow what they hear. They don’t understand who is knowledgeable and reliable, and who is not.

        Also, most of the community wouldn’t know what a devotional is, nor that it has prayers in it. If they come from a religious background at all it’s usually entirely a church attended service, not private studies, reflections, and devotions having been part of their pre-Northern Tradition life.

        So when they are looking for a Heathen book of prayer, that’s what they’re looking for search terms of “Heathen Prayer Book” or “Asatru Prayer Book”. They won’t know what a devotional is, or that it might have what they are looking for inside it.

        If I were to hazard a guess, I bet Daystar and Whirling Wheel is a poor performer. That name is too creative, and not basic enough to help people find it.

        Addfind the texts, or understand that it might be what they’re looking for. Look at how poorly known Daystar & Whirling Wheel are for proof there.

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      • There is such a huge level of ignorance. Yes there’s tons of sources, but let’s look at modernity. What have they been taught:

        1) to be sheeple that fall for what the church decides to teach
        2) sheeple who fall for the razzle-dazzle of politics and fake news

        So they latch onto people who they “like” who say what they “like to hear” or just fall into cults of personality and logic goes out the window in place of self-aggrandizing narcissism and their delusional fantasies.

        Even sincere seekers run into problems. They ask a question and get “jumped on” by trolls and people with agendas, instead of receiving straight forward answers.

        It’s a mire, we have the experience to see where the pitfalls lie, a novice wouldn’t necessarily.

        You and I have been very fortunate to have been able to travel, to see with our own eyes ancient holy sites of cultic worship, to see archaeological items on display in a museum. To be moved, and to be awed by it. All these years later the collection of offered braids from a bog retrieval at the Copenhagen Museum sticks with me. Most haven’t seen it, sure they may see a picture, but it’s not the same as seeing it. Think how you were moved that first time you saw the Pergamon Altar to Zeus.

        I’ve also been thinking. Yes you and others have been writing on the subject for years, calling out sources, writing devotionals. But are we doing ourselves a disservice with calling them DEVOTIONALS?

        What I mean is, most people (until they are exposed to one and find out) have no clue what a devotional is, they’re never heard the term before.

        If they’re Joe Newbie and they’re like, hmmm, I want a book for Heathen Prayers… they’re not going to think, hey let me put the word devotional in and see what I find!

        I’m going to use some of your texts as examples here. As creative and awesome of a title that Skalded Apples is, nothing in the title says SPECIFICALLY it has prayers in it. We assume they know that the subtitle of “A Devotional for Idunna and Bragi” suffices to explain the content. Would it be better for people to find if it was “Skalded Apples: Prayers, Rites, Personal Devotions, Insights and Mysteries of the Norse Goddess Idunn and the God Bragi”. It’s horrid mouth and eye-full, but would it improve search results?

        Most newbies to the religion are coming from Christianity where they rarely did anything outside of when their butts were in Church.

        It’s an entirely new lexicon they don’t know. If they want to find a book of prayer they’re going to search for things like “Norse Pagan prayers” or a “Asatru Prayer Book” not devotional.

        Of course that’s when they’re not lazy and want everything PERSONALLY given to them, there’s a whole bunch of lazy too, especially among the American NT community.

        And while I think we neded up with some folks ho were curious about Marvel’s Thor, or History Channels Vikings to learn more about the source culture, most of the folks who came over because of it are brosatru, romanticizing the Vikings. You see it in the memes of rough brigands and rebels. Save me from the Brosatru.

        Not that I’m excusing, or justifying anyone’s bad behavior or stupid.

        But some of the community really needs to go find the SCA and stay the fuck out of our religion.

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      • That is a really good point, Wyrd Dottir. The phraseology could actually be getting in the way. Hell, the only reason I knew what a “devotional” is was because my mother used to be a Methodist ministerial candidate. In a lot of U.S. Protestantism, only a small percentage of people ever see that word used for a book. I think it’s more common amongst the laity in U.S. Catholicism, but that is still probably the small fraction who take their faith seriously.

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  2. thetinfoilhatsociety

    And praying.

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  3. Because, my friend, as Schiller said, “Gegen Dummheit kämpfen die Götter selbst vergebens.”

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  4. Wyrd, i didn’t need to see in order to know the most basic tenet of religious practice. it’s just intellectual laziness.

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  5. wyrd, Keith, these are but some of the reasons I attribute part of theproblems facing Heathenry to the majority of converts coming from Protestantisms. I’d rather deal with those coming from Catholicism 110% more. they get devotion so much better.

    and whether one was raised with these terms or not, reading solves so many lapses in knowledge. there’s really no excuse.

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    • You know, one thing I find interesting is my own personal experience. Yes, I was raised and baptized Catholic but my parents are incredibly against practicing Catholicism because they don’t want to be seen as “holy rollers”. So I didn’t necessarily grow up with devotion either. The most I ever was taught was to pray to St. Anthony if I ever lost something and that bread and wine are Jesus’ body and blood. That’s it. I figured it out devotion by reading about what the ancients did or what people like Hindus/Shintoists/Buddhists/etc do today. So really, it DOES come down to whether or not you actually want to put in the work and figure it out.

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