offs Siegfried is at it again.

omg i wish Karl Siegfried would stick to writing about what he actually got his degree in (music) and keep his hands off our religion. He’s currently trashing the idea of utgarð and inangarð.

These are ways of defining sacred space. end of story. IF we wish to expand upon that, we might look at them like the Germanic equivalents of the Greco-Roman idea of “oikenomia” (certainly I misspelled this lol) but this use would come into play only insofar as we had self-determining tribal units, which we currently do not.

Of course, in his eagerness to trash our traditions, rather than parse out the theological valence behind such terms, this fool is instead using it to score points against the Troth (which is fine by me) and root out non-existent racists therein (please, if they were anymore “woke” they’d be rainbow colored. The Troth purges theological difference better than Stalin).

So many reasons not to go to wildhunt.org for anything approximating accurate information on Heathenry. 

About ganglerisgrove

Galina Krasskova has been a Heathen priest since 1995. She holds a Masters in Religious Studies (2009), a Masters in Medieval Studies (2019), has done extensive graduate work in Classics including teaching Latin, Roman History, and Greek and Roman Literature for the better part of a decade, and is currently pursuing a PhD in Theology. She is the managing editor of Walking the Worlds journal and has written over thirty books on Heathenry and Polytheism including "A Modern Guide to Heathenry" and "He is Frenzy: Collected Writings about Odin." In addition to her religious work, she is an accomplished artist who has shown all over the world and she currently runs a prayer card project available at wyrdcuriosities.etsy.com.

Posted on February 8, 2020, in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. 4 Comments.

  1. We need to hold fast to our Gods and traditions in the face of this kind of nonsense. The more we are criticized for having standards, the more vigorously we should uphold them. Once the ignorant people who erroneously believe themselves experts realize all they’re doing is making us double down on what they dislike, they’ll stop jabbering at us and go plague some other community that might make the mistake of listening to them.

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  2. A Troth event was the place where I was lucky enough to encounter open worship of my fulltrui Forseti when I was starting out, and most recently to even see a Ve to Him honoring both His Frisian and Norse aspects. That was a truly profound experience that touched my heart.

    There have also been positive changes from their previous Nokean stance, including a beautiful Ve to both Loki and Sigyn.

    I am not a Troth member and have definitely avoided them at times precisely because of the Nokean issues, but it saddens me to see Stalin being invoked to describe them here. Saddens me enough that I did not feel it right to pass by and hold silence.

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    • It was hyperbole on my part and overdone.

      While I’m glad that your experience with the Troth has been pleasant, mine has not been.
      So much of the slander that I constantly deal with originated with “respected” members of the Troth, far more than I care to revisit here.

      On religious and theological
      grounds — much, much more important than anything they may have done to me personally, that the ban on Loki existed for so long is pathetic, and their recent bullshit
      about ancestor work equaling racism makes them utterly theologically untenable
      and beyond impious.

      Our communities can do better. They won’t, of course, but they can and should.

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      • Not to mention going back to the 80s the group goes through cycles of controversy, upheavals, major shake-ups, etc.

        The concept of the Troth is a nice one, trying to bring together far flung folks, and bring connection and hopefully community. There are some in the organization who truly do connect to the Gods, who truly venerate. Who respect the vaettir and give them their due, and who also recall the ancestors. So on a case by case basis, on individual terms it is entirely possible to have a good experience with a Troth member, or even a local representative (or a specific member kindred), but have a miserable experience across the board.

        The problem is that as an organization, they’re too broadly accepting. [For clarity, I don’t refer to their policy of being accepting for all genders, orientations, ethnicities, etc.] They take in a wide range of people without a core common religious belief including those who don’t even believe the Gods are real (but just archetypes), and in so doing dilute. There is a distinct lack of standardization of belief and praxis within them. They want to be more a fraternal organization of brotherhood, than they do one that is a religious organization with our Gods front and center.

        From their own website: “The Troth is an organization that focuses on the bringing together a variation of the old Norse ways through groups such as Asatru, Theodism, Urglaawe, Irminism, Odinism, Vanatru, and Anglo-Saxon Heathenry.”

        Let me tell you those things are NOT the same. There’s been fights between Theodism and others forever, and that’s part of how the “Nokean” policy came into effect is thru the Theodish influence. Not to mention, “Nokean” is still accepted practice (from their website) “TKP kindreds retain sovereignty to determine content of Troth-sponsored rituals that they host, including whom it is appropriate to hail at a given ritual.”

        There’s nothing wrong with fraternal organizations, they can be a valuable networking resource, and help you leverage a group of disparate people towards a goal. I do think they should be commended for their help in getting Asatru added to the military, for their prison outreach, etc.

        But even their by-laws seem to be at odds with what they’re doing.

        “The purposes of the Corporation are:

        3.1. To serve as a church or non-profit religious service organization [Note: The Troth is a 501(c)(3) charity, not a religious organization] for religious needs of its members in Heathen religion;

        3.2. To disseminate accurate knowledge about its history, beliefs, and practices;

        3.3. To train clergy and scholars in the practice and study of Heathenry;

        3.4. To produce publications that educate, provide information on, and facilitate communication about Heathen religion;

        3.5. To facilitate and promote cooperation and community among inclusive groups and individuals practicing Heathenry;

        3.6. To acquire property and resources that promote the foregoing purposes;

        3.7. To provide programs to serve and to aid the wider general Heathen community in accordance with the organization’s Mission statement.”

        If you read their by-laws they actually state they are NOT a religious organization, but a charity. If so why are they doing clergy certification?

        The problem is they try to act like a religious organization, by giving clergy certification, when in truth they’re really a fraternal one. How can you truly train a godhi/gythia when the membership you accept is so broad they’re at theological odds with one another? The answer is you can’t. One clergy member will venerate Loki, another won’t. One clergy member views ancestor worship as equitable to racism (what a load of crap), and another won’t.

        When becoming a member of the Troth, they only ask you to affirm this: “I agree to treat all Troth members with respect regardless of tradition, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, ability, gender, or family structure in accordance with the Bylaws and policies of The Troth.” And they don’t ask you to affirm any belief in the Gods of the Northern Tradition. There’s nothing wrong with creating a place where all are welcome to come and learn, but this to me illustrates the point that they’re NOT a religious organization (no matter how many in the community think of them as a religious organization), because if they were, there would be some sort of statement affirming a common belief and religious praxis. Which brings me back to, why are they doing clergy certification again?

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